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275614 | Richard Wilson <yorkshireman@y...> | 2022‑05‑19 | A bit of help searching the archive... |
I know I’ve done this in the past, and not all that long ago, because I have some old postings dragged out to get the information into a ‘note to self’ But How do I get to do a search over the archive? I visited Chris’s great site, and if I have an old post ID nunber, I get the post in full, but darned if I can find a ‘search’ option. any help would be appreciated - no need to clutter the list with admin, and you can gi’ me a clatter rahnd t’ lugoils for asking stupid questions ovver in t’ corner of the porch there. Richard Wilson A yorkshireman galoot losing marbles in Northumberland. -- Yorkshireman Galoot in the most northerly county, farther north even than Yorkshire IT #300 |
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275615 | Chris Wolf <hframe79001@g...> | 2022‑05‑19 | Re: A bit of help searching the archive... |
One method is to use Google's "site:" keyword. For example a Google search for: site: swingley.dev/ot/ drawknife Will show you postings that include "drawknife" Google may not have the entire archive indexed, however. -----Original Message----- From: oldtools@g... [mailto:oldtools@g...] On Behalf Of Richard Wilson Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 2:19 PM To: OldTools Group Subject: [oldtools] A bit of help searching the archive... I know I've done this in the past, and not all that long ago, because I have some old postings dragged out to get the information into a 'note to self' But How do I get to do a search over the archive? |
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275616 | Bill Kasper <dragon01list@g...> | 2022‑05‑19 | Re: A bit of help searching the archive... |
Richard (howdy!), There's a fun way to search by message. Paste https://swingley.dev/ot/get/######/single/ and replace the ###### with the number of the message you're looking for. That will bring that message up, alone (hence the "single" in the link). And if you want to search by thread, use this: https://swingley.dev/ot/get/######/thread/####### replacing the ###### with the number of the message you're looking for. It'll open the message in threaded form, with all the other messages from that thread on the page. I don't know how that would work with the new groups.io archive, but it does work with Chris's swingley.dev archive. Hope all is well in sunny old Newcastle. Bill Bill Kasper Felton, CA On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:19 AM Richard Wilson < yorkshireman@y...> wrote: |
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275617 | Richard Wilson <yorkshireman@y...> | 2022‑05‑20 | Re: A bit of help searching the archive... |
Lots of answers - thanks to everyone. I believe Homer would say ‘Duh’ and so can I (The word entered the Oxford English Dictionary a few years back) Why struggle with SQL statements when you can tell the mighty Google search algorithm to do the looking? Make your way to google, rather than using Ecosia or OceanHero or even DuckDuck Go. and communicate directly with the googlebots with something like https://www.swingleydev.com site: spokeshave + Yorkshireman You will undoubtedly need to refine your search term, else you are left for the rest of the day pursuing interesting side alleys from authors long gone or subjects you hadn’t realised were interesting. - as I just did with Darrell’s carving hatchets - I now have donors to turn into one like those Once you have a list, you may, of course access individual postings direct using their ID number. Thanks everyone. Interrogating the finest reservoir of tool knowledge on the planet ought to be in our FAQ? - to help old f*rts lke me with holes in the head alternatively, after a lifetime doing this kind of thing, maybe I should have just known about it. - I return you to your regular dose of tool medication, with the ringing thanks of - me - in your ears Richard Wilson Yorkshireman Galoot. > On 19 May 2022, at 20:54, Bill Kasper |
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275620 | Steve B. in Thunder Bay, Ontario <jstudio@t...> | 2022‑05‑20 | Re: A bit of help searching the archive... |
Hi Richard I had the same problem finding old postings that were of interest to me, and found my solution in about 2004. And I applied it to Oldtools and many other newsgroups that I was following. No it won't immediately help newcomers to the group (that will have to rely on searches of prior material in the manner as already described). In 2004 I started saving interesting messages that I wanted to keep in text files by subject matter. Text files have the advantage of being small in memory requirements as opposed to bloated files from word processors. I use NoteTab Free from Fookes Software for this record keeping as well as to codeHTML for websites. https://www.fookes.com NoteTab has the added advantage of also being able to search over multiple text files -- if I wasn't sure which exact files might contain a particular prior discussion. So this solution won't help new record keepers immediately, but will prove absolutely invaluable over the future years. Steve B. in Thunder Bay, Ontario --- where winter is ending about two months late and I haven't yet removed the big snowblower from my tractor. |
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275621 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2022‑05‑21 | Re: A bit of help searching the archive... |
I do the same sort of thing, saving to email folders on my hard drive ,and searching with Thunderbird. I suspect I could also search them with Windows' Explorer. FWIW Don On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 4:38 PM Steve B. in Thunder Bay, Ontario < jstudio@t...> wrote: |
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275639 | Richard Wilson <yorkshireman@y...> | 2022‑05‑24 | Re: A bit of help searching the archive... |
Last century, we had a galoot who was keeping all messages, on the basis that there was so much valuable information locked in them i’ve been brain bashing on and off since your comment, but danged if i can put a name to him (that happens a lot to me these days) Anyone else remember? was a prolific poster back in the nineties. Richard Wilson Yorkshireman Galoot > On 21 May 2022, at 00:38, Steve B. in Thunder Bay, Ontario |
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275641 | Mark van Roojen <mvr1@e...> | 2022‑05‑25 | Re: A bit of help searching the archive... |
Richard Wrote: >Last century, we had a galoot who was keeping all messages, on the >basis that there was so much valuable information locked in them > >i've been brain bashing on and off since your comment, but danged if >i can put a name to him (that happens a lot to me these days) > > >Anyone else remember? was a prolific poster back in the nineties. I seem to have digests going back to 2013. I have a more selective set of postings from before then though I may at one point have had the whole thing. - Mark Mark van Roojen Webpage: www.mvr1.com |
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275675 | Christopher Swingley <cswingle@g...> | 2022‑05‑31 | Re: A bit of help searching the archive... |
Richard, On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:23 PM Richard Wilson < yorkshireman@y...> wrote: > Last century, we had a galoot who was keeping all messages, on the basis > that there was so much valuable information locked in them > > i’ve been brain bashing on and off since your comment, but danged if i can > put a name to him (that happens a lot to me these days) > It'd be easy enough for me to dump everything that's in the database to text format. I doubt you'll find a more complete set of posts than that, but the tricky bit is figuring out how to keep the structure. Way back when, mail clients were good about keeping threads and posters were good about bottom posting, but neither is really true anymore, so keeping track of the connectedness of a conversation is more challenging. Anyway, a long time ago I wrote some scripts to dump a "threaded" and "plain" version of the archives in plain text. If someone is interested in such a thing, I can dig them up. Cheers, Chris -- Christopher Swingley Fairbanks, Alaska https://swingley.dev/ |
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275678 | Dave Nighswander <wishingstarfarm663@m...> | 2022‑05‑31 | Re: A bit of help searching the archive... |
Christopher I am delighted to realize that Galoots are still active. My old Del died of hardening of the drive. When I hooked up the new machine I began receiving emails from the group again. I thought the whole bunch had moved to FB(a pox on thee demon) Instead my email setup was wrong. My fault.. I never understand how the thing changes with each upgrade. Anyway I am pleased to find you once again. All your work to setup and manage a mailing list that I grew to love and missed sorely is greatly appreciated. I am happy knowing you are still willing to sort through the millions of posts. Hyperbole perhaps, but they add up quickly. Without this group I would have never gotten involved with restoring old tools or experienced wandering the aisles of shows, flea markets, and the dark arcane mysteries of ancient tool making. Thank you very much David Nighswander Old Sneelock’s Workshop Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Christopher Swingley<mailto:cswingle@g...> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2022 8:41 PM To: Richard Wilson<mailto:yorkshireman@y...> Cc: Steve B. in Thunder Bay, Ontario<mailto:jstudio@t...>; OldTools List<mailto:oldtools@g...> Subject: Re: [oldtools] A bit of help searching the archive... Richard, On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:23 PM Richard Wilson < yorkshireman@y...> wrote: > Last century, we had a galoot who was keeping all messages, on the basis > that there was so much valuable information locked in them > > i’ve been brain bashing on and off since your comment, but danged if i can > put a name to him (that happens a lot to me these days) > It'd be easy enough for me to dump everything that's in the database to text format. I doubt you'll find a more complete set of posts than that, but the tricky bit is figuring out how to keep the structure. Way back when, mail clients were good about keeping threads and posters were good about bottom posting, but neither is really true anymore, so keeping track of the connectedness of a conversation is more challenging. Anyway, a long time ago I wrote some scripts to dump a "threaded" and "plain" version of the archives in plain text. If someone is interested in such a thing, I can dig them up. Cheers, Chris -- Christopher Swingley Fairbanks, Alaska https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fswingley.dev%2 F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C9a9076d47d294189724908da429e44d4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435a aaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637895544773968156%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjA wMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=mF 5HQtG9KNZbGSxiwg12cD%2BOgww6YMW8cnLy3FHafUo%3D&reserved=0 |
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275680 | gtgrouch@r... | 2022‑05‑31 | Re: A bit of help searching the archive... |
It's good to have you around. I just assumed you didn't have much to say. Will we be receiving communiques from Old Sneelock's Workshop again? I always enjoyed them. Gary Katsanis far from home in Albion New York, USA ----------------------------------------- From: "Dave Nighswander" To: "Christopher Swingley", "Richard Wilson" Cc: Ontario", "OldTools List" Sent: Tuesday May 31 2022 12:47:04AM Subject: Re: [oldtools] A bit of help searching the archive... Christopher I am delighted to realize that Galoots are still active. My old Del died of hardening of the drive. When I hooked up the new machine I began receiving emails from the group again. I thought the whole bunch had moved to FB(a pox on thee demon) Instead my email setup was wrong. My fault.. I never understand how the thing changes with each upgrade. Anyway I am pleased to find you once again. All your work to setup and manage a mailing list that I grew to love and missed sorely is greatly appreciated. I am happy knowing you are still willing to sort through the millions of posts. Hyperbole perhaps, but they add up quickly. Without this group I would have never gotten involved with restoring old tools or experienced wandering the aisles of shows, flea markets, and the dark arcane mysteries of ancient tool making. Thank you very much David Nighswander Old Sneelock’s Workshop Sent from Mail< [1]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> [2] for Windows From: Christopher Swingley Sent: Monday, May 30, 2022 8:41 PM To: Richard Wilson Cc: Steve B. in Thunder Bay, Ontario; OldTools List Subject: Re: [oldtools] A bit of help searching the archive... Richard, On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:23 PM Richard Wilson < yorkshireman@y...> wrote: > Last century, we had a galoot who was keeping all messages, on the basis > that there was so much valuable information locked in them > > i’ve been brain bashing on and off since your comment, but danged if i can > put a name to him (that happens a lot to me these days) > It'd be easy enough for me to dump everything that's in the database to text format. I doubt you'll find a more complete set of posts than that, but the tricky bit is figuring out how to keep the structure. Way back when, mail clients were good about keeping threads and posters were good about bottom posting, but neither is really true anymore, so keeping track of the connectedness of a conversation is more challenging. Anyway, a long time ago I wrote some scripts to dump a "threaded" and "plain" version of the archives in plain text. If someone is interested in such a thing, I can dig them up. Cheers, Chris -- Christopher Swingley Fairbanks, Alaska [3]https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fswingley.de v%2Fdata=05%7C01%7C%7C9a9076d47d294189724908da429e44d4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaa aaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637895544773968156%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwM DAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=mF5HQtG9K NZbGSxiwg12cD%2BOgww6YMW8cnLy3FHafUo%3Dreserved=0 [4] /> Links: ------ [1] https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986%3E [2] https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986%3E [3] https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fswingley.dev%2 Fdata=05%7C01%7C%7C9a9076d47d294189724908da429e44d4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaa aaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637895544773968156%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAi LCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=mF5HQtG9KNZb GSxiwg12cD%2BOgww6YMW8cnLy3FHafUo%3Dreserved=0%3Cbr [4] https://nam12.safelinksprotection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fswingley.dev%2F data=05%7C01%7C%7C9a9076d47d294189724908da429e44d4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaa aaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637895544773968156%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiL CJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=mF5HQtG9KNZbG Sxiwg12cD%2BOgww6YMW8cnLy3FHafUo%3Dreserved=0 [5] https://groups.io/g/oldtools/message/2617%3Cbr [6] https://groups.io/g/oldtools/message/2617 [7] https://groups.io/mt/91214872/5960263%3Cbr [8] https://groups.io/mt/91214872/5960263 [9] https://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html%3Cbr [10] https://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html [11] https://swingleydev.com/ot/%3Cbr [12] https://swingleydev.com/ot/ [13] https://groups.io/g/oldtools/unsub [14] https://groups.io/g/oldtools/unsub |
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275681 | Phil Schempf <philschempf@g...> | 2022‑05‑31 | Re: A bit of help searching the archive... |
Somebody falls off the edge of the porch and some of us don’t notice until they climb back up out of the shrubbery. Good to have you back! Phil ----------------------------- From: "Dave Nighswander" |
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275682 | Kirk Eppler | 2022‑05‑31 | Re: A bit of help searching the archive... |
Sometimes we assume they are trying to dig their way out of an avalanche of tools, or lumber. KE On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:09 AM Phil Schempf |
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275684 | Dave Nighswander <wishingstarfarm663@m...> | 2022‑06‑05 | Re: A bit of help searching the archive... |
More a plethora of potential problems promulgated by pontificating plebs passionately proving prior possibilities prevent proper performance of published programs. In other words changing the door knobs on the house to raise the price. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Kirk Eppler (KEPPLER)<mailto:eppler.kirk@g...> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 5:48 PM To: Phil Schempf<mailto:philschempf@g...> Cc: Gary K<mailto:gtgrouch@r...>; Dave Nighswander<mailto:wishingstarfarm663@m...>; Christopher Swingley<mailto:cswingle@g...>; Richard Wilson<mailto:yorkshireman@y...>; Steve B. in Thunder Bay, Ontario<mailto:jstudio@t...>; OldTools List<mailto:oldtools@g...> Subject: Re: [oldtools] A bit of help searching the archive... Sometimes we assume they are trying to dig their way out of an avalanche of tools, or lumber. KE On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:09 AM Phil Schempf |
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