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276716 gtgrouch@r... 2022‑12‑09 Re: Hide glue for Gerstner repair
A quick summary on re-tinning can be found here. 

https://www.instructables.com/DIY-Hand-Wiped-Tinning-of-Old-Copper-PotsPans-
Inst/

I get my supplies from Rotometals. I don't know if they ship overseas.
I've used their flux and I've purchased tin, pewter, and low temp
melting alloys from them I would gladly do business again. 

Gary Katsanis
Albion, New York USA

	-----------------------------------------From: "Richard Wilson" 
To: "Michael Blair"
Cc: "John Ruth", "Tools Old"
Sent: Thursday December 8 2022 2:05:16PM
Subject: Re: [oldtools] Hide glue for Gerstner repair

 I always enjoy the threads about Hide glue. I used a double pot - a
small cast iron one that needs re-tinning on the inside (Suggestions,
anyone?) it holds maybe a cup full at a time, and goes on an electric
hot plate when in use. I have a larger one, but no sooner had I come
across it than I spoted an electric glue pot in an auction, and got
hold of that. Plenty big enough for anything I might do.

 I like HHG because it is so versatile and friendly. In restoration
work, as others have said, its ability to be undone with heat and
water or alcohol is magic. Lifting a veneer becomes possible with an
old thin table knife blade and alcohol squirted into the joint, and
time. The surface is pretty undamaged ready to go back down, or be
re-used. A blistered veneer may be rescued with a hot iron applied
over some brown paper. Heat to plasticise the glue - then a weight or
clamp to keep it flat until cold.

 And cleaning up is civilised. Always a blessing. Not like that
polyurethane modern stuff that stays on your fingers for a good half
week.

 Back to the Gerstner though. My tuppence - its been said - start with
a hot iron - if it’s hide glue, it may reliquefy and a cold cramp
ors omething may work. After that, if it needs more - well - you’ve
already heard everything I’d suggest, so I’ll shut up now.

 Enjoy

 Richard Wilson
 Yorkshireman Galoot
 on the North Sea coast, where we had the first real snowfall today.
(And for those of you who have real snow - I’ll add that it had all
melted by noon. That’s winter done then. Roll on the solstice and
the feasting of Mithras.

 > On 8 Dec 2022, at 17:30, Michael Blair  wrote:
 >
 > John Ruth wrote: "And, contrary to advertising claims, Old Brown
Glue is
 > not hot hide glue"
 >
 > Correct, John. Both Franklin and Old Brown Glue are buhl work
glues,
 > designed to hold disparate materials to wood. Buhl work glues
retain
 > enough plasticity to keep stone, metal, bone and shell from popping
out
 > from the expansion and contraction of wood. These two add urea
(that's
 > urine) to hide glue, in the English tradition. The French added
garlic
 > oil. Think twice about licking your fingers... But they will, as
 > designed, hold metal to wood.
 >
 > I grew up with hot hide glue. My grandfather built custom picture
 > frames and hot glue is what we used. Initially, my job was to go
into
 > the shop and prepare the glue, heating it, adding a bit of water
and/or
 > glue beads to the electric glue pot. Get it ready for him to use.
 > Maybe that's why I don't find it inconvenient. Some add a bit of
salt
 > to the mixture, though I never have. Now I have a couple of double
 > boiler glue pots, one copper, the other an old cast iron pot.
 >
 > Both forms are reversible. Both adhere to previous hide glues as
well,
 > which is a real advantage in repairs to old furniture.
 >
 > Mike in Woodland
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >

 --
 Yorkshireman Galoot
 in the most northerly county, farther north even than Yorkshire
 IT #300

 



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