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Dear Galoots,
I have been lurking for a rather short time and, frankly, I do not know e=
nough to be of much service=E2=80=94other than for cracking wise, though =
it seems I=E2=80=99m scarcely a patch to some of the obvious professional=
s on OT. :-)
I am a mathematician at the University of North Texas; a school of roughl=
y 27,000 students located in Denton which lies 35 miles NNW of Dallas.  B=
orn and raised in San Diego, schooled in Ohio (Ohio State) now raising a =
family here in Texas.  =20
I have been woodworking for only 5 years or so. I began by collecting the=
 usual set of  power tools and building nursery stuff, end tables, booksh=
elves, picture frames, toys, small boxes and such.  About a year or so af=
ter I began my father-in-law gave me a small load of traditional hand too=
ls that belonged to his father: files, a nice brace with a good collectio=
n of bits, a MF (model 98 ?) hand drill, a nice #4 smoothing (soothing!) =
plane, and a small collection of paring and firmer chisels.  Anyhow, I fo=
und that despite my Normieism, I was always trying (and needing) to incor=
porate the use of these tools in my projects.  Once I had learned to prop=
erly sharpen the chisels and plane irons, I found their attraction increa=
sed (imagine that! :-) ).  I found that the hiss of the plane as it produ=
ced long and nearly transparent cuttings brought an irresistible sense of=
 joy=E2=80=94and the glass-like finish was glorious. =20
However, I crossed the line (left the darkness?) when I purchased a felli=
ng axe and single beveled broad hatchet (this is probably a term suitable=
 for the =E2=80=9Cdepartment of redundancy department=E2=80=9D ) from a m=
achinist friend who got the on the yard-sale circuit. That was 1 year ago=
.  Since then, I have purchased several planes and spokeshaves, built a s=
having horse (which I love to use!) and a bungee lathe (my father in law =
gave me an old copy of AWW from the mid 90=E2=80=99s=E2=80=94to which I m=
ade modest modifications)=E2=80=94which is a blast to use as well!  =20
I am, strictly speaking, not a fully formed Neanderthal=E2=80=94I am curr=
ently in transition=E2=80=A6sort of a Neandranormie (a mockery to all?). =
 I somehow doubt that I will ever cease to use P-tools--and if someone de=
cided to give me a gigantic horizontal belt sander--along with a bigger s=
hop to house it--well I wouldn't say no! :-)  =20
Despite that, I continue to progress towards the stone-age, as I rework t=
he bowsaw (here the OT Archive has been of great help) that I recently ma=
de, build/modify some hand tools, and learn to use the handsaws that I in=
herited from my wife=E2=80=99s grandfather.  =20
Doug Brozovic, Denton Texas
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Doug,

 Is that sound I hear someone picking up speed as they sliiiiide down the 
slope??? As for tailed apprentices...I doubt that anyone here on the porch 
could truthfully say they don't own and use a few now and then...to do some 
of the tedious chores, of course.

Welcome aboard!

Wayne Anderson
Elk River, Minnesota

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While introducing himself, Doug Brozovic wrote,
>Despite that, I continue to progress towards the stone-age.

I love the irony of that phrase, Doug 

......and welcome aboard!

Jeff Schmidt
Boaz, KY

Jeff wrote:

> While introducing himself, Doug Brozovic wrote,
> >Despite that, I continue to progress towards the stone-age.
>
> I love the irony of that phrase, Doug
>
> ......and welcome aboard!

I dunno; maybe the phrase is lithonic.  ;-)

Sandy Moss in Westport, Mass
a retired biologist who actually taught English oncet.

Sandy,  Perhaps you meant "lithic"??

per Webster -- "adj.  relating to or characteristic of a
(specified) stage in a man's use of stone as a cultural
tool."

sushandel wrote:
> 
> Jeff wrote:
> 
> > While introducing himself, Doug Brozovic wrote,
> > >Despite that, I continue to progress towards the stone-age.
> >
> > I love the irony of that phrase, Doug
> >
> > ......and welcome aboard!
> 
> I dunno; maybe the phrase is lithonic.  ;-)
> 
> Sandy Moss in Westport, Mass
> a retired biologist who actually taught English oncet.
> 

> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+

Jonathan M. Lukens signed on and said:

>If any of you need need help translating some Greek, or
>need to know which philosopher said what, or for God knows what reason you
>want to know the differences between Ionic and Attic Greek, perhaps I can be
>of service.  
>
Jonathan,

Welcome aboard, and don't worry about the number of questions.  This is 
a very friendly and helpful list.  Besides, I always did wonder about 
the iron Greek in the attic.  ;-)

Frank (Fort Worth Armadillo Works)

Dougie:

Bienvenue a la porch.... (apologies a louis in Rimouski....)

Dougie: you will find that there is enuf mathematical contextual content 
that you can add your too bits without cracking wise, although I think that 
you will find that more than a few folks here don't shave with occams razor,

 >I am a mathematician at the University of North Texas; a school of 
roughly 27,000 students located in >Denton which lies 35 miles NNW of 
Dallas.  Born and raised in San Diego, schooled in Ohio (Ohio >State) now 
raising a family here in Texas.

 >snippage concerning essential toolssuch as....files, a nice brace with a 
good collection of bits, a MF (model 98 ?) hand drill, a nice #4 smoothing 
(soothing!) plane, and a small collection of paring and firmer chisels. <<

However, I crossed the line (left the darkness?) when I purchased a felling 
axe and single beveled broad hatchet (this is probably a term suitable for 
the “department of redundancy department” ) from a machinist friend who 
got the on the yard-sale circuit. That was 1 year ago.  Since then, I have 
purchased several planes and spokeshaves, built a shaving horse (which I 
love to use!) and a bungee lathe (my father in law gave me an old copy of 
AWW from the mid 90’s—to which I made modest modifications)—which is 
a blast to use as well!

I am, strictly speaking, not a fully formed Neanderthal—I am currently in 
transition…sort of a Neandranormie (a mockery to all?).  I somehow doubt 
that I will ever cease to use P-tools--and if someone decided to give me a 
gigantic horizontal belt sander--along with a bigger shop to house it--well 
I wouldn't say no! :-)

Cowtown Eric will tell ya, in case others haven't, that although the 
boundaries of this list are defined principly by the exclusion of electron 
burners ( cross that boundary off list, eh) there are many of the galooti 
who will freely admit to tinkering on the dark side. They just talk about 
it elsewhere.

And be advised, in a friendly and porchlike manner that this is indeed the 
support group from hell. Why just this week Art B. thought that musicians 
didn't use sharp things, till some nut pointed out that he could take up 
the musical saw.....

As to the math content here, methinks you might be suprised.  Learning to 
use oldtools is not a foregone conclusion or result of being here,  and 
some of the chatter is superfluous to the newbies needs, but we was all 
newbies at one point, and got sicker from that time on.

Shoot, this list covers folks with interests from Tolstoi to tinkerbell, 
and everything inbetween. Common thread is love/interest/obsession  with 
old tools, and Everything related, either directly or indirectly.

Speaking for hisself, cowtown has more than one slide rule, got the basics 
of surveying covered at the theoretical level, and has ahieved the 
neophytic level of Vedic mathematics. (chapter 1, eh)

Come sit a spell, and I hope that you are subscribed in digest mode.......

Eric
in Calgary
trying to apply a versine tomorrow.....