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277448 | Brian Welch <brian.w.welch@g...> | 2023‑06‑06 | Rebuilding Note Dame's charpente (roof framing) |
NPR ran a story this past Saturday about the French carpentry shop (Les Ateliers Perrault) rebuilding the charpente of Notre Dame cathedral: https://www.npr.org/2023/06/03/1179979763/carpenters-are-working-at-a-frenzied- pace-to-finish-repairing-notre-dame-cathedr They have been squaring up over 1400 oak trees using only axes, just as the original was made in the 12th century. Even though the framing won't be visible in the finished cathedral, they are using traditional methods both to be faithful to the timber-framed original and to help keep those skills alive for future generations. You can see some of the work here: https://www.ouest-france.fr/culture/patrimoine/notre-dame-de-paris/video-video- notre-dame-de-paris-cette-entreprise-du-maine-et-loire-reconstruit-la-charpente- de-la-cathedrale-feb2ca20-7e38-4e2e-9076-93d6411ef240 Brian |
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277449 | scottg <scottg@s...> | 2023‑06‑06 | Re: Rebuilding Note Dame's charpente (roof framing) |
I am glad to hear the work is going. I hope someone is filming and talking to the actual crew who is doing the work. I want to see tools in detail. I want to know who made the tools. I want the company of working men and women! First it was every "daddy's money" computer geek getting all the attention in a long TV special. Now its talking heads describing how much pressure they are putting the working crew under to satisfy a politicians schedule,................ and one guy with an ax for 4 seconds. It might as well be National Geographic (and the servants were 6 minutes late I could have died) yours scott -- ******************************* Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s... http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/ http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html |
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277450 | Bill Kasper <dragon01list@g...> | 2023‑06‑06 | Re: Rebuilding Note Dame's charpente (roof framing) |
you can be sure they are using fine linens to clean up the tools at the end of the day. |
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277451 | Greg Isola <gregorywisola@g...> | 2023‑06‑06 | Re: Rebuilding Note Dame's charpente (roof framing) |
Well played, sir--referencing a legendary Galoot Adventure nearly as old as Notre Dame itself. Take care, all of you, Greg Isola Alameda, CA |
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277452 | Dennis Heyza <michigaloot@c...> | 2023‑06‑06 | Re: Rebuilding Note Dame's charpente (roof framing) |
Here's a good story from last year (I think). More detail on the historic workers. https://tinyurl.com/2upd5yyu Dennis -----Original Message----- From: oldtools@g... |
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277454 | Esther <galoot@e...> | 2023‑06‑06 | Re: Rebuilding Note Dame's charpente (roof framing) |
An SCA friend send me a link to an NPR snippet, I sent back the following: You might like:http://www.historicalcarpentry.com/l-art-du-trait.html (please don't confuse companonnage with Fremasonry, these are real artisans doing real apprenticeships and journeys as journeymen, not symbolic/speculative). Also https://www.handshouse.org/notre-dame-truss for a gift truss, and https://www.handshouse.org/work#/czech-crane/ for something different and period... For the galoots I will add that handshouse has a stack of galoot projects to peruse, and Charpentiers Sans Frontières who did a project that turned into a book with the Mortice and Tenon folks is also in the mix. Site at https://www.charpentiers-sans-frontieres.com/ Notre Dame is the top (most recent) of the "Chantiers" section, I was in French but they have a lot of banners on the bottom to click for English for those who don't. "L'art du trait" is the process of designing and laying out complex 3-d stuff in 2-d and appears to be part of traditional training for carpentry as well as stonework. "companonnage" is the traditional journeying of journeymen in France, where they travel the country and work, learn, and get Really Neat local things pointed out such that a real companon can be distinguished by being aware of certain landmark works around the country. I read a book about it a number of years ago, can't remember French or English but do remember the authors being very clear "please don't confuse this with freemasonry" with is forbidden by the Roman Catholic church for various theological reasons. Somebody from Canada teaches it at Marc Adams. Esther |
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277453 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2023‑06‑06 | Re: Rebuilding Note Dame's charpente (roof framing) |
Whazzat? Don On 2023-06-06 2:33 p.m., Bill Kasper wrote: > you can be sure they are using fine linens to clean up the tools at the end > of the day. > > On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 11:02\u202fAM scottg |
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277455 | Kenneth Stagg <kenneth.stagg@g...> | 2023‑06‑06 | Re: Rebuilding Note Dame's charpente (roof framing) |
Esther, Cool! I spent 35 years in the truss industry so you know I just had to check that out. I love the process and that they’re stay as true to it as they can. -Ken |
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277456 | Bill Kasper <dragon01list@g...> | 2023‑06‑06 | Re: Rebuilding Note Dame's charpente (roof framing) |
sometime back in the dawn's age of the list, brother alan perreault managed to, uh, misuse one of his wife's fine tablecloths. unfortunately i cannot find the story, but it's canon lore, alongside (among others) the late john lederer's steam tractor. bill felton, ca |
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277457 | Paul Gardner <yoyopg@g...> | 2023‑06‑06 | Re: Rebuilding Note Dame's charpente (roof framing) |
Unless I'm very much mistaken, there are YouTubes of this restoration. It might have been a fever dream but I swear that I've watched a couple of them and have been very impressed. Paul, in SF |
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277458 | Esther <galoot@e...> | 2023‑06‑06 | Re: Rebuilding Note Dame's charpente (roof framing) |
On 2023-06-06 19:45, Paul Gardner wrote: > Unless I'm very much mistaken, there are YouTubes of this restoration. > It > might have been a fever dream but I swear that I've watched a couple of > them and have been very impressed. > Charpentiers sans frontieres has a stack of them. I haven't managed to get the sound going but there is lots of hewing happening. Also check out Guedelon castle which is proud of training a lot of the Notre Dame workers... Esther |
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277459 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2023‑06‑07 | Re: Rebuilding Note Dame's charpente (roof framing) |
And I thought I was bad for washing oil stones in the dishwasher. Don On 2023-06-06 4:43 p.m., Dragon List wrote: > sometime back in the dawn's age of the list, brother alan perreault > managed to, uh, misuse one of his wife's fine tablecloths.� > unfortunately i cannot find the story, but it's canon lore, alongside > (among others) the late john lederer's steam tractor. > > bill > felton, ca > > On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 2:23\u202fPM Don Schwartz |
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277460 | Paul Gardner <yoyopg@g...> | 2023‑06‑07 | Re: Rebuilding Note Dame's charpente (roof framing) |
rotflol |
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277461 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2023‑06‑07 | Re: Rebuilding Note Dame's charpente (roof framing) |
To be completely truthful, if memory serves, that was the last stage of cleaning, right after boiling in an old roasting pan on the stove top. I lined the bottom of the pan with rags to avoid chipping the stones. Don On 2023-06-06 6:04 p.m., Paul Gardner wrote: > rotflol > > On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 5:01\u202fPM Don Schwartz |
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277462 | Paul Gardner <yoyopg@g...> | 2023‑06‑07 | Re: Rebuilding Note Dame's charpente (roof framing) |
To be honest, Don, these are the stories I relish. So good! |
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277463 | Richard Wilson <yorkshireman@y...> | 2023‑06‑07 | Re: Rebuilding Note Dame's charpente (roof framing) |
> On 7 Jun 2023, at 01:01, Don Schwartz |
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277464 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2023‑06‑07 | Re: Rebuilding Note Dame's charpente (roof framing) |
It worked without mishap for me, as I'd gone through solvents and boiling first. And we rarely used that old dishwasher in any case. On a related note, after some 9 years or so of use, I've recently had to flatten my coarse Norton stone ( one side only ) using 36 grit SiC flooring sander paper spray-glued to an old bathroom cabinet mirror door. I'm leaving the other side hollow for cambered irons. Don On 2023-06-06 7:22 p.m., yorkshireman@y... wrote: > >> On 7 Jun 2023, at 01:01, Don Schwartz |
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